July 3, 2009

The flag by the altar

by Steve Thorngate

I'm getting married in six months in my fiancee's hometown. We don't live there or belong to a local congregation, so we had to find a suitable church—a search based less on aesthetics or convenience than on how accommodating a place is to our plans for the ceremony. The pastor of the church we settled on is happy to turn virtually the entire service over to our clergy friends from other places and traditions. We're welcome to write our own liturgy, bring our own musicians and distribute the communion bread ourselves.

In fact, the only thing the pastor said "no" to was our request to move the American flag from its prominent place right next to the altar.

It didn't take long to decide not to push him on this point. We're sensitive to the fact that we will be guests in someone else's worship space, that the church and pastor are being graciously hospitable to us. It's also helpful to keep in mind that the church-and-state ship sailed back when we chose to get married in a church in the first place.

Still, the flag will be hard to ignore—because if it were our church, we'd be leading the charge to have it permanently removed. But it isn't our church, and it's appropriate for the place to represent its own community's values rather than those of the folks borrowing it for a day. I'm also aware that this is harder to let go of for the not-so-great reason that our guests might infer that we are in favor of the flag's presence—after all, it'd be easy enough for us to move it. (Not so with the Bible-verse wood carving over the altar, quoted from the gender-exclusive King James, which gave us barely a moment's pause.)

As for flags in churches more generally, CCblogger Chris Brundage is less bothered by the practice than I am—where I bristle at nationalistic symbols usurping the real object of our allegiance, he allows that "love of country is a part of love of neighbor." We both agree, however, with CCblogger Michael Ruffin's critique of the idea of the U.S. as a Christian nation. Barbara Brown Taylor's December 2001 piece for the Century is worth revisiting as well.

What do you think?

(See also this list of 40 ways to celebrate Interdependence Day, an alternative July 4 observance courtesy of the folks at the Englewood Review of Books.)

17 comments:

Country Parson said...

I have no problem with a flag in the church, but not inside the altar rail under any circumstance, or even in the chancel if possible. For us, inside the altar rail is sacred ground and no place for symbols of nationalism regardless of how well intentioned. But that's where I found the flag when I first arrived. Why was it there. It was a holdover from the patriotic nationalism of the 1940s and '50s. Well meaning parishioners linked America, God and Christianity as almost a new trinity. The flag got moved rather quickly to a spot on the floor of the nave near the pulpit, and no one seemed to notice. What was more egregious, but possibly not uncommon, was a practice in a former parish that got started during WWII and lasted for almost twenty years that began the service with a procession led by the Flag, a posting of the colors and singing a patriotic song. I'm not sure how that came to an end, but it did, thankfully.
CP

Anonymous said...

Since 325 AD when the churches fail to persuade others by their logic and learning, all the churches have inevitably turned to the state to enforce their moral point of view on those who choose otherwise.

In exchange, the churches support the state, seeing it as a small price to pay to advance the Almighty's rule.

Think of the American flag as representing the best sentiments of those who sought a new order in which the rule of freedom and wisdom would guide the society.

Ellie said...

The flag in my (now closed) Episcopal Church that was displayed at the right of the altar (the church flag at the left) was a gift in memory of a local boy killed in Vietnam. I do not recall a voice ever raissed against it. Personally, I do not approve.

retired rick said...

What is the problem? There is nothing traditional about what you are doing. Tradition says that the wedding is a worship service conducted by a congregation for a couple. You got your own preacher, writing your own vows, and looking for a building that has no history with you. Rent a room and don't put a flag in it.

Michael Ruffin said...

Every church I have pastored has had both an American flag and a Christian flag in the sanctuary, usually at the far ends of the pulpit area. Something I have wondered about is the application of U.S. flag etiquette in the church; said etiquette requires that the U.S. flag always be given the place of honor, namely to the right of the speaker. But if we are to have both flags in the sanctuary, given what our ultimate allegiance as Christians is, would it not be best to give the Christian flag the position of honor and to put the U.S. flag in the subordinate position? Of course, that question is irrelevant if no flags are in the sanctuary.

Phil said...

Congratulations on your wedding. I hope everything is as beautiful as your bride and that God blesses you with a long and wonderful marriage.
I do wonder about the struggle with the flag. While it certainly can be over-done, and often is in the Midwest where I live, it is also a source of pride for many, particularly the older generation, and certainly to those that served in the military. Why can we not celebrate their contributions to our society in a church?
As far as Michael Ruffin's post, it is full of flawed logic, beginning with his reference to the Constitution followed by a quote from the Declaration of Independence. To be fair, the constitution does not mention God, but the fact that he failed to mention that the Declaration begins with a quote that includes the statement,"that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights," shows either poor judgement or laziness in his writing.
I know that if I was to be invited to your wedding, I would not see the presence of the flag as a negative. In fact, I would see it as a sign of your open-mindedness to those who have beliefs slightly different from your own and would consider it a sign of Christian maturity.

John said...

In response to anonymous;

Not all churches have turned to the state to spread their views neither in 325 nor now. In the opinion of many the marriage of church to state represented turning away from the principles of Jesus. God transcends all, including national borders. Any attempt to limit God, which includes phrase such as "our God" or "God of many nations", is misplaced. God is not ours. God does not belong to any nation. God does not recognize the lines we draw on maps to keep people apart.

The attempt to gain stature by aligning to state power may help the institution of the church but in lifting up the institution it tears at faith leaving the true church weaker. Flags that make a claim of national or denominational exceptionalism place faith in the limited rather than the unlimited. They have the same affect of boxing in faith, weakening it.

Anonymous said...

It is good to know where your allegiance lies.

America

Steve Thorngate said...

Thanks all for the thoughtful comments.

A colleague alerted me to a great Century piece on this topic that predates my time here--it's by Barbara Brown Taylor, from a couple months after the 9/11 attacks. Here it is: http://bit.ly/DGzy4

Gerald Young said...

A flag is a symbol of sovereignty. It has always been planted on soil, or a captured fort, or a bulding as a symbol of that nation's sovereign claim on that piece of the planet. It is for that reason that the flag of no nation has any place in space dedicated to the worship of God. That space is God's space. It is not even the space of whatever faith community built and maintains it. And it is not an attack on any flag or any nation to deny access to sacred space whose sovereign is God. The God who forbids any graven images, which I assume would include those that might flap in a breeze. This is God's space and there is room for no other symbol of any other sovereign here.

Anonymous said...

Whereas I do not care for flags in the sanctuary (I moved my church's flags to the chapel area where there is a large Christus Rex that is higher than the flags) will anyone attending your ceremony really even remember that it was there on the day of your wedding? I doubt it.

Craig Hovey said...

Rather than taking away, why not see if you can add? The most creative response to the flag problem I've come across is to place alongside the American flag some other flags. In one church, they annually rotate in one flag--of the country that a prayer group is praying for that year (Lebanon the first year, then Argentina, I think). When the pastor explained what the church was doing (in a church newsletter or a service sheet), he said that the flags remind us of our mission both at home and abroad. As far as I know, the veterans were happy as were those like myself who worry about nationalism and exceptionalism. The inflection from "loyalty" toward "mission" is, of course, a crucial part of it. I wouldn't be surprised if you were able to come up with a similar solution for your wedding.

Anonymous said...

Rent country club instead.

J. Nelson said...

As I heard the story, Dan Berrigan once gave a talk at a Roman Catholic school. He began by looking to his right and left at the U.S. and Vatican flags, then said, "Now I know how Christ felt: hung between two thieves."

He wasn't invited back. But no one forgot the message.

Anonymous said...

The flag is a national symbol that can easily convey a message that we honor it more than the sanctuary from the world. Nationalism is a worthwhile feeling but can often be a symbol of intolerance to others from different nations, even feelings of oppressions can come from a flag symbol. The chapter on Nationalism in the book Thoughts and Heresies makes a excellent point on this subject - check it out.

Eric Lemonholm said...

In our congregation, the American flag is on the far left hand of the front of our wide sanctuary, with the "Christian flag" on the right, closer to our pulpit. While I personally would rather have the flag outside the sanctuary, for our members I find that it's more about honoring veterans than it is about nationalism (we have many former and current service men and women in the congregation). Rather than argue about placement of the flag, I have found it more productive to define and model a patriotism that is humble, honest about our nation's imperfections, celebrates the value and integrity of all nations, and stresses our first and ultimate allegiance to God.

Bob said...

First, you are a guest in this community's house of worship. As you rightly point out, they have the right to express their values, and as a guest you have the responsibility to conclude whether your values are incompatible with theirs. If you decide they are, then take the advice offered by others here and rent a room.

Having said that, allow me to say this: Symbols in worship space are there to lift the mind and heart in worship of that to which the symbols point. The presence of the U.S. flag can only imply that the nation it symbolizes is also to be an object of worship. There are numerous appropriate ways to offer allegiance and appreciation to the flag and the nation "for which it stands." Locating the flag in a place of worship is not one of them. It is, instead an act of idolatry, something about which the Bible has more than a few things to say.

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